WHEN BURNOUT BECOMES REALITY PODCAST

As 2024 comes to a close, join Shan for this reflective solo episode of When Burnout Becomes Reality. In this final episode of the year, Shan guides listeners through a soothing breathing practice to ground the mind, calm the body, and honour the soul—a reminder of the power of small moments to care for ourselves during the busiest of seasons.

In this heartfelt episode, Shan reflects on:

• The Year That Was: Insights into the challenges and joys of the holiday season and strategies for protecting energy while maintaining balance.

• Growth Through Connection: How the podcast has mirrored Shan’s personal journey through burnout recovery, and the lessons learned along the way.

• Embracing Change: A sneak peek into the podcast's evolution, as it returns in March 2025 under the new name Midlife Reclaimed, focusing on supporting midlife women through burnout and transformation.

• The Power of Rest: Why taking breaks is vital for burnout prevention and recovery, and how Shan plans to recharge during her two-month hiatus.

Shan also poses thoughtful questions for reflection, encouraging listeners to pause and consider their own journeys—looking back on lessons learned and setting intentions for the year ahead.

This episode is a reminder that while change and rest can feel uncomfortable, they are often the very things that propel us forward. Tune in for a moment of calm, connection, and inspiration as we wrap up the year together.

Listen now and prepare to step into 2025 with renewed energy and purpose.

I am so excited to welcome you to the very first podcast episode of A Different Kind of Gap Year where I will be talking candidly with you about my mental health breakdown brought about by my work as a Clinical Psychologist.

A Different Kind of Gap Year Podcast Episode 2 brings you my brave friend, ex-colleague and fellow helping professional, Tricia Whipple’s story of her mental health and career. Tricia is my very first DKGY podcast so I am super excited to bring her story to life. Tricia has done such an amazing job in recounting her mental health and career story in this episode. It is a long episode (unedited). I don’t believe in editing someone’s story, all of it is important and tells us something about that person. I hope that Tricia’s story enriches you or your loved ones in some meaningful way. Thank you and take care.

Episode 3 of Career Burnout: A Different Kind of Gap Year brings you a story from an unlikely profession, the legal profession. It’s a story that ran a lot of parallels to my own. It’s Sarah’s story of her mental health and career. Sarah is someone I met through social media after a friend of mine discovered she had a similar story to my own. After reaching out to her about my podcast and asking her to be part of it, it didn’t take Sarah long to come onboard. I am so grateful to have her as a guest because she gets to showcase her story of her mental health and being a lawyer. Furthermore she gets to fulfil her mission to help others in her profession to look to and start looking after their mental health. Sarah doesn’t want others to suffer as she has suffered. Please forgive the audio quality of this one. I am new to podcasting and this one was done remotely. I am learning as I go and doing this all on my own with no budget to employ others to help. I hope you can see past any audio downfalls and focus on the very important message here, which is to help normalise mental health care for everyone. Thank you and take care

Episode 4 of Career Burnout: A Different Kind of Gap Year brings you a story from a woman, who in my opinion faces a tough role within the mental health field. Not only does she face a complex array of client traumas and losses, she also is a mum to 2 young kids. She talks candidly about the dual roles and how there was a lot of care going out, but not a lot coming back in. Jenni is someone I met through social media after she reached out to me. She reached out to let me know she had found listening and reading about my mental health and work story helpful to take some important steps in her own work life, to improve her health and wellbeing. I am very humbled that sharing my vulnerability has helped her and it brings me much pleasure to have her as a guest to share hers, so she to can help others too. Please forgive the audio quality of this one, I am still learning. It’s definitely an improvement from the last one. I am very proud that I have learnt how to fade in and out with this one. I hope you can see past any audio downfalls and focus on the very important message here, which is to help normalise mental health care for everyone. Thank you and take care of you.

Episode 5 of Career Burnout: A Different Kind of Gap Year brings you the story of my colleague and friend, who in my early days of my mental health breakdown was there for me in a simple but powerful way; she said “me too”. It was so powerful to hear a fellow psychologist say that she suffered from burnout and compassion fatigue to and had to take a leave of absence. It helps, because it breaks the SHAME you often feel for suffering, especially as a mental health professional, where there is an unwritten expectation that you SHOULD have it altogether. Davina’s story is a unique one, just like every other guest I’ve had on the podcast. We may have all suffered from the same conditions, but our experiences are all different, and Davina’s is no exception. I think the most unique thing about her story is how she recovered from her burnout and compassion fatigue. You are going to learn so much from listening to her story and I am very excited to have her tell it to you. It’s a long episode, but it is worth every minute you will get. I couldn’t with good conscious cut too much out of our conversation, as it is so valuable. Listen to it in instalments, maybe on your way to work in the car or on the train, before you know it you will be at the end. Thank you and take care of you.

Episode 6 of Career Burnout: A Different Kind of GAP Year brings you the next instalment of my GAP year since having to leave work abruptly because of my health in Feb 2021. Just like Episode 1, where I talked candidly about my mental health experiences at the time, I will do so again, but from where I left off. I will share with you what has been going on for me and how I am moving forward (sometimes backwards) through it. My hope by sharing part 2 of my mental health story that you and/or those around you will benefit from it. I am a big believer that speaking more freely about our mental health has such healing powers for ourselves and those hearing our stories. Take care Shan

Episode 7 of Burnout: A Different Kind of GAP Year brings you the story of Tracey Wood, a lady who bestowed kindness on me, at a time I needed it most. During one of our catch ups, she shared with me her own work gap experiences. Upon hearing her experiences, I knew her story would benefit others, so I asked her to be on the show; thankfully she agreed. Tracey is a mother, a daughter, a wife, a worker and above all, she is herself, Tracey, a compassionate human being. Her work/life GAP experiences gives you insights into the why and the how she got through these very tough experiences in her life, juggling the many roles she had too at the time. My hope is that you or someone you know will benefit from hearing her story. Remember there is power in sharing our struggles. We can all learn something from each other. Take care Shan

Episode 8 of Burnout: A Different Kind of GAP Year brings you the burnout experience of a young woman called Tahlia @goodluck_charliepod who experienced burnout during her senior years of high school. In this episode she talks candidly about her burnout experience and how she stepped her way through it whilst completing year 12. She shares in hope that it will help others to recognise the signs and get the help they need. A must listen for all high school students and their carers (parents, teachers and the like). My hope is that you or someone you know will benefit from hearing her story. Remember there is power in sharing our struggles. We can all learn something from each other. I also urge you to check out Tahlia’s podcast where she shares her experiences of exploring the world of work/career opportunities by interviewing people in different fields of work, including me Jan 24, 2022 for clinical psychologist. Tahlia is on her own kind of gap year after finishing year 12 last year. A truly beautiful and inspiring young woman. Good Luck Charlie Podcast Link: https://lnns.co/Nj3EHurnPUJ If this episode is anyway triggering for you and you need professional help, please consult your doctor as soon as possible. Take care Shan

I have been wanting to interview a nurse since the conception of my podcast and episode 9 brings you a nurse's burnout story, Nichola Browning. I have worked alongside nurses here and there during my psychology career and this profession strikes me as one who is particularly vulnerable to burnout, compassionate fatigue, and vicarious trauma and mental health conditions such as depression and PTSD, and the research evidence agrees. Sixty-one percent of healthcare workers report burnout and 28% report depression here in Australia (Australian Nursing & Midwifery Association, 2021). The percentage of nurses suffering burnout across the world was high prior to COVID-19 pandemic but has increased as a result of the ongoing nature of this pandemic. Nichola is a veteran of the nursing industry with 30 plus years of service both in the UK and here in Australia. She has worked in clinic and non-clinic roles whilst also raising her family. She is on her own gap year at present and we have found many commonalities between our own stories, starting with the the name we have given it 'A Different Kind of GAP Year'. It's always nice to converse with someone who really gets what you are going through and so willing to share themselves with you. It is my pleasure to be able to bring her burnout story to you. She, like all my other guests are sharing because they want to help others who are or may go through burnout to. If you are a nurse, have a friend or family member who is a nurse, see nurses (let's face it, we will eventually), please listen to this episode. When we understand something, we can do better. Connect with Nichola here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nichola-browning-she-her-88927197 Organisations and information https://strokefoundation.org.au/ Volunteer and Lived experience member for You g Stroke Project and Mind CVD with Heart Foundation https://youngstrokeproject.org.au/about/lived-experience-working-group/ Heart Foundation https://www.heartfoundation.org.au/ Founding member https://www.burnoutnomore.me/courses/burnout-no-more https://www.fwards.com/ Support Crew coffee club host & supporter https://genyusnetwork.com/ Take care of you Shannon

This month's episode brings you a Clinical Psychologist's burnout to recovery experience, Eunice's. Eunice takes us through what contributed to her burnout both internally (e.g., perfectionism, focus on caring for others, high expectations, etc.) and externally (e.g., pandemic pressures - at home schooling, increased workload, etc.) and what supported her to recovery (e.g., therapy, support from loved ones, decreasing her workload, time off, etc.). Her experience highlights the challenges of experiencing burnout during a pandemic, in a place that experienced the longest lock downs and tightest restrictions across the world (Melbourne, Australia). A must listen for those who are psychologists, who are or suspect they are burning out, and for those supporting others with burnout. It's okay to not be okay even if you are a psychologist who knows and treats these same conditions.....we are only human. If this episode is anyway triggering for you and you need professional help, please consult your doctor as soon as possible. Take care Shannon

This month's episode brings you a hypnotherapist's burnout to recovery experience, Sarah Kuipers. Sarah takes us on her journey of self-discovery, learning and growth from burnout to recovery (twice over); coming out the other side thriving in a new career direction (burnout researcher, lecturer, author, and counsellor). Like all my guests, Sarah has a lot of wisdom to share that not only comes from her lived experience but from her extensive research in the area. Sarah is a strong advocate for seeing burnout as a springboard for change, and I would have to agree with her. If you'd like to discover more about Sarah's work in burnout you can. Go to her website sarahkuipers.com Here you will find her book chapter on Expressive Writing that we talk about in this episode. To buy a copy of her book 'Thriving Giver' go to http://getbook.at/ThrivingGiver Her 7-week LIVE online course, The Thriving Giver: Cultivate Your Resilience and Restore Balance to Prevent Caregiver Burnout, will be launched in October 2022. For further details, please sign up for her newsletter via her website, or email her directly at sarah@sarahkuipers.com

In this final episode of the podcast's second season, your guest is...................ME :) I've come back on the show to celebrate several massive milestones that I have reached over my GAP year after burning out working as a clinical psychologist in clinical practice. Besides sharing and celebrating these milestones with you all, I will also be sharing exclusive news for BURNOUT: A Different Kind of GAP Year (blog, podcast, and social media community). I have particularly loved making this episode as it is the first I have done using both visual and audio, and it helped push me out of my comfort zone by celebrating all I am proud of over this past year. So grab a cuppa, sit back and tune in. Take care Shannon

Episode 13 of Burnout: A Different Kind of GAP Year Podcast brings you my new friend, Erin, a primary school teacher who is no stranger to experiencing burnout. She shares with you her journey to awareness of suffering from burnout, what she has learnt so far that contributes to her experience of it, and what she has come to find out helps support her mental health to prevent further relapses into burnout. It is a definite must-listen, considering we will all have a teacher in our lives.

Episode 14 of Burnout: A Different Kind of GAP Year Podcast brings you the burnout stories of two remarkable women, one of whom experienced job burnout (higher education industry) and the other mum burnout. Together they have created their movement based on sharing their own and others' resilience stories on their podcast and life happened. You can follow them on Instagram @and_lifehappened.

Jessica and Samantha openly share their separate burnout to recovery experiences in this episode. Jessica shares the negative impacts of a toxic work colleague, the wave-like nature of her burnout, the difficulties accessing therapy during the peak of the pandemic in the US, and walks us through some of the therapeutics strategies that have helped her to recover. On the other hand, Samatha shares how her expectations of what she envisioned motherhood would look like contributed to her burnout, how she navigated her challenges with getting and engaging in support, and how instrumental this support was to her recovery once she found what she needed.

Together their stories showcase the individual differences experienced amongst individuals suffering from burnout, but the similarities cross-overs that are common amongst burnout to recovery experiences. I hope you find this episode helpful in your journey through or preventing burnout.

Episode 15 of Burnout: A Different Kind of GAP Year Podcast brings you Heart Place Hospital creator and champion Jacqui O'Connor's (aka "love rock star" and "hope merchant") burnout to recovery experience.

Jacqui takes us on a journey from a busy nurse, nurse manager, mum and wife who believed she was hitting all the culturally appropriate success markers to the 'mack truck' moment (aka burnout) that set her life in a new direction. As she describes it, she went from an "unhealed healer" to a "healed healer".

One thing you are bound to love about Jacqui's burnout to recovery story is how she tells it. She has a way with words that allows for a deeper understanding of what life was like for her in the thick of her burnout and how her life is now...magical.

If you'd like to stay in touch with Jacqui O'Connor and the Heart Place Hospital, visit and follow her at the following links

Facebook: www.facebook.ccom/heartplacehospital

Episode 16 of Burnout: A Different Kind of GAP Year Podcast brings you the first of many episodes like this one, where I, a Clinical Psychologist, share knowledge and skills to raise awareness and provide support to those who suspect that they are or are going through burnout, want to prevent it or are curious about it.

In this episode, I aim to provide you with information that will help you:

Be able to detect burnout in yourself

Be able to detect burnout in others

Be able to respond to your burnout

Be able to respond to someone else's burnout.

I answer the following questions:

What is burnout?

How prevalent is it?

Who's at risk?

What impact can it have?

How to overcome or prevent it?

Where to get help?

Episode 17 of Burnout: A Different Kind of GAP Year Podcast showcases a therapeutic tool that played a significant role in my burnout recovery process, journaling. As a Clinical Psychologist and a person with lived experience of burnout, I would like to share my knowledge and expertise with journaling to support those who are going through, suspect that they are, or have recovered from burnout and want to prevent it from happening again or are curious about this condition.

In this episode, I aim to provide you with information that will:

Increase understanding of journaling as a therapeutic technique.

Increase knowledge of how to set up your practice.

Provide resources to start your journal practice.

I answer the following questions:

What is journaling?

What styles of journaling are there?

What's the purpose?

Does it help?

Are there any limitations?

What is the best way to journal?

What barriers are there to journaling?

What resources are there to set up a journaling practice?

Episode 18 of Burnout: A Different Kind of GAP Year Podcast brings you the burnout to recovery experience of a business owner, husband and father, Glen.

Looking back at his burnout experience with the wisdom he now has from his recovery offers you a unique perspective of the signs that contributed to his burnout, things he didn't or couldn't see at the time. Things like not resting, not prioritising self-care, pushing through, doing it on his own, and not setting boundaries, to name a few.

It took hitting 'rock bottom' at a point of hopelessness and a timely Facebook advert to send him on his road to recovery and beyond to where he is now, thriving.

Have you ever been told you are 'sensitive' or maybe even 'too sensitive'? I have, one too many times. If you answered yes or even know someone who has, this episode is for you.

Last year I met this episode's expert guest, Becky Corbett, a registered holistic nurse and sensitivity expert. I was a guest on her podcast called The Gentle Living Nurse, where I talked about my sensitivity and burnout experience.

It was through Becky that I recognised I am a Highly Sensitive Person (HSP) and that being an HSP had contributed to my vulnerability for not only burning out but the other mental health battles I've had since I was a young adult. It was life-changing for me.

HSP is someone who has a central nervous system that is more sensitive to physical, emotional and social stimuli. As Becky explains in this episode, this can create many challenges as the world is not set up for an HSP.

Becky draws on her research and experience (personal and professional) to help the listener understand, recognise and respond to one's own or another's HSP trait to help maintain their well-being.

I learned so much by sitting down and interviewing Becky, and I am sure you will too.

To find out more about this remarkable woman and her essential work, go to the following:

Website: www.thegentlelivingnurse.com

Email: becky@thegentlelivingnurse.com

Free self-soothing guide: https://www.thegentlelivingnurse.com/gentlelivingfreebies

Instagram: @thegentlelivingnurse

Episode 20 of Burnout Psychology Support (formerly known as BURNOUT: A Different Kind of GAP Year) Podcast brings you the burnout to recovery experience of Population Health Lead Eva James.

Sitting down with Eva to hear about her burnout and recovery experience was a pleasure. Like me, she took a 'time-out' (aka GAP) from her work to help support her health and well-being. However, unlike me, her experience was compounded by grief and loss.

Eva shares her signs that she was burning out, how she decided to prioritise her care (which wasn't easy) and how she went from feeling disconnected from herself, others, work, and life to reconnected.

I believe it is through sharing experiences that we learn, grow and connect.

Episode 21 of Burnout Psychology Support (formerly known as BURNOUT: A Different Kind of GAP Year) Podcast focuses on the challenges of returning to your work/career post-burnout. It will focus on my journey from leaving my career as a clinical psychologist, unsure if I would ever return, to making the steps back. It will also infuse elements of scientific knowledge to help support others who find themselves at this point or are fearful about taking that break from their career.

I genuinely believe that it is through sharing experiences that we learn, grow and connect.

Some of you may find yourself struggling with an inner critic, a critic that likes to tell you that you are not enough - you are not a good enough psychologist, doctor, teacher, partner, friend, etc. A critic that judges you and leaves you feeling guilt and shame, further debilitating your health and well-being and impairing your functioning. The good news is compassion is an excellent antidote for our inner critic. Compassion is noticing suffering in self or others and taking action to alleviate that suffering. Compassion, particularly self-compassion, is vital to help support one's overall health and well-being, including preventing, recovering and responding to burnout.

In this episode on compassion and burnout, I interviewed Dr Hayley D Quinn, a coach for women business owners, clinical supervisor for therapists and helping professionals, trainer and clinical psychologist. Hayley is the founder and host of the podcast Welcome to Self® with Dr Hayley D Quinn. Hayley assists women business owners in changing how they relate to themselves and their work through the lens of compassion, so they can build more sustainable ways of working and businesses that thrive and live the full and meaningful lives they desire and deserve! Hayley strongly believes that thriving women create thriving businesses.

I first met Hayley during my postgraduate studies, where we studied clinical psychology. Fast forward several years when I reconnected with Hayley in the capacity of supervisory support and development in Compassion Focused Therapy. Hayley holds a special place in my heart because her support allowed me to flourish and grow professionally and personally. She is one of my compassionate guides. She showed me what it means to be compassionate to self and others. This is why I had to have her on the pod to share her wisdom on compassion and how it can assist you with prevention, recovery and growth from burnout.

Keep In Touch With Dr Hayley D. Quinn

Welcome to Self Podcast: https://drhayleydquinn.com/podcast/

Website: https://drhayleydquinn.com

Linktree: https://linktr.ee/DrHayleyDQuinn

Instagram: @drhayleydquinn

In this episode, I share updated evidence-based information on burnout and the recovery and prevention of it with a blend of lived experiences from myself and past guests to give awareness and hope to move beyond burnout. You will also get a chance to be guided through a few psychological practices to assist you in making a start on responding, preventing and growing from burnout.

About the Host/Guest:

My name is Shannon Swales, and I am a perfectly imperfect Clinical Psychologist. I am passionate about supporting others with the mental health knowledge and skills to thrive in this life, to move from chronically stressed, burnt-out states to one of wellness. My Telehealth practice, Burnout Psychology Support, is a therapeutic space for anyone who feels overwhelmed, lost, alone, trapped and absolutely exhausted every single minute of every single day and looking for support to find a way out, a path through the chronic stress brought about by their work or caregiving responsibilities. A state I know all too well after burning out in February 2021, costing me my ability to work and forcing me to move from caring for others to caring for myself. A move that has helped me to the place of wellness I am at today, with the ability to move back to the career I was trained for, caring for others in a more balanced way.

My qualifications…

I am a clinical psychologist registered with the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency (AHPRA) - BSc (Psych) (Hons) MClinPsych MAPS. My principal psychological approach is Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT). I also incorporate other evidence-based practices, including Motivational Interviewing, Compassion Focused Therapy (CFT), mindfulness and Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT). Above all else, I strive to create and maintain a safe, supportive and secure environment for people to heal in a way that feels right for them.

Episode 25, Part 1 brings you the work and burnout lived experience of April Lauer. A story that spans over 20 years with the ebbs and flows of burnout as she comes up against several systemic issues that clash with her values, interests and needs. From a primary school teacher at the tender age of 21, navigating the world as a young adult, to taking a leap of faith into a new career, leaving teaching behind and experiencing both government and private sector positions that have given her wisdom in what works and doesn't work for her. Listen in to see what these commonly found system factors were that impacted her mental health and how she navigated through it. Her story is so rich that I have split it into two parts. Part 2 will be release two weeks after this episode. Her experience allows us to recognise and reflect on what might be happening to us and inspires and encourages us to make changes to support our well-being. No job/career is worth our health. Thanks, April, for your generosity and authenticity.

April Lauer www.linkedin.com/in/april-lauer-50713112a

Episode 25, Part 2 brings you the next chapter of April's work and burnout lived experience. In this second half, she moves into the education field again, but this time early education to help bring a balance to her life now that she is a mother. This time, she faces systematic issues such as role ambiguity/conflict, poor leadership and management, under-resourcing, and lack of training. If you haven't caught the first half of her story, it's worth checking out before delving into this chapter. April describes herself as a go-getter and a forever learner, and these aspects of her character start to shine in this chapter regarding what she is learning about her health and well-being at work. April shares in this episode where she is now and how she is crafting a way of life that works with her well-being. Her experience allows us to recognise and reflect on what might be happening to us and inspires and encourages us to make changes to support our well-being. No job/career is worth our health. Thanks, April, for your generosity and authenticity.

April Lauer www.linkedin.com/in/april-lauer-50713112a

Ep 26 allows the listener to learn from Clinical Psychologist Rebecca Black about two important areas associated with burnout: chronic illness - Chronic Fatigue Syndrome & Fibromyalgia, & Unrelenting Standards Schema. Schemas are mental structures of preconceived ideas, a framework representing aspects of the world, or a system of organising & perceiving new information. Rebecca blends her lived experience in both areas with her experience as a schema therapist working with people with chronic illnesses & chronically stressed states such as burnout. She shares her knowledge & tips on noticing & moving away from unrelenting standards & breaking the chronic stress cycles of living with chronic illness. She teaches us a sustainable way to live.

Guest: Rebecca is a clinical psychologist & coach who has spent the last 15 years of her life grappling to understand & overcome her chronic illnesses (CFS and fibromyalgia) & burnout experiences - a mission that she has accomplished! Rebecca is now passionately dedicated to helping other therapists & health professionals move away from these experiences and towards creating a sustainable career and life - one that is balanced, joyful, energetic, abundant & fulfilled - so they can in turn pass this gift of sustainable living on to their clients too.

For therapy: www.nhgpsychology.com.au; admin@nhgpsychology.com.au

For coaching:

FB - Sustainable therapists https://www.facebook.com/CoachingwithRebeccaBlack Insta: @sustainabletherapists https://www.instagram.com/sustainabletherapists/ sustainabletherapists@gmail.com

EP 27 When Burnout Becomes Reality Podcast brings you the recording of my World Mental Health Day 2023 virtual event - Burnout Panel Discussion and Q&A.

The Burnout panel included a mix of experts and lived experience guests to help bring a well-rounded discussion on this critical topic. They are

Nichola Browning: Retired Nurse (30 plus years across public, private, not-for-profit and corporate sectors), Health Advocate, Changemaker, Burnout Lived Experience, Mother of 3

https://www.linkedin.com/in/nichola-browning-she-her-88927197/

Sarah Kuipers, Panel MSc Burnout and Stress in Health Profs. Bestselling Author (Thriving Giver) Lecturer Trainer Resilience Coach Mother of 3 boys

https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-kuipers-065b3612/

http://getbook.at/ThrivingGiver

Carolyn Grant, Panel CEO People Plus Science – Organisational Advisor – Researcher and publisher of Psychological Safety benchmark in Boards and Organisations, Author of the Legacy Leadership book and mother of 3 boys

https://www.linkedin.com/in/carolynmcsweeneygrant/

And me, the host, Shannon Swales, a clinical psychologist, podcast host (When Burnout Becomes Reality), and author (Nothing Left to Give: A Psychologist's Path Back from Burnout).

W: www.burnoutpsychologysupport.com

Insta: www.instagram.com/burnoutpsychologysupport

FB: www.facebook.com/burnoutpsychologysupport

LI: https://www.linkedin.com/in/burnoutps...

Memoir: https://mybook.to/NothingLeftToGive

Email: shannonswales@burnoutpsychologysupport.com

Our aim was for those attending and listening/watching back to go away with:

🌟 Awareness of what burnout is.

🌟 Knowledge of the risks/triggers for burnout.

🌟 Hope by obtaining evidence-based knowledge of the steps to prevent, respond and grow from burnout.

🌟 Validation and normalisation of the experience of burnout.

Episode 28 brings you the wisdom of certified mindset and well-being coach Ange. Ange introduces us to five key steps to go from busy to balanced in this busy culture we find ourselves living in. A culture that is contributing to our unhappiness and conditions such as burnout. Our discussion on this topic flows from our very own personal journeys of imbalance to balance, those of the clients we work with and these key steps that Ange provides in this episode to help us walk from busy to balanced. Tune in to discover how you can (in Ange's words) live a FULL (not BUSY) life that is balanced and joyful.

Guest: Ange Fragiacomo, Mindset and Wellbeing Coach, Founder of Conscious Living Hub and Co-Author of Goodbye Busy, Hello Happy: The Magic of Breaking up with Busy and Finding More Time for Joy.

Conscious Living Hub Website: https://consciouslivinghub.com.au/

Find Out More About Her: https://consciouslivinghub.com.au/about-me/

Book: https://consciouslivinghub.com.au/product/goodbye-busy-hello-happy/

Contact: https://consciouslivinghub.com.au/contact/

In Episode 29 of When Burnout Becomes Reality Podcast, I sit down with Marissa McKool from McKool Coaching. A public health worker from the US who experienced her own burnout prior to the pandemic and, upon recovery, made it her life's ambition to help women in the public health sector prevent, recover from, and grow from burnout.

I interviewed Marissa on a critical topic that is special to her: REST. Marissa clarifies for the listener what exactly REST is, and it isn't what you think. She shares with us the common challenges people face trying to incorporate REST into their schedules and practical takeaway steps to overcoming them. Marissa also highlights the many benefits of making space for REST in your life and how they can help you commence REST in your schedule and continue with it long after recovery from burnout.

Guest: Marissa McKool, MPH, is a former public health leader turned Burnout Coach for women in public health. She helps public health professionals reduce stress, get more time, and create a fulfilling career without burning out. She is also the host of the Redefining Rest Podcast.

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marissa-mckool-a9701892/

Website: https://www.mckoolcoaching.com/

In this episode, I had the privilege of engaging in a thought-provoking conversation with Shannon Bowman, the driving force behind Create Balance Psychotherapy and Counselling (see more about Shannon below). Our in-depth discussion centred around a crucial subject - worker well-being within the organisational context. We explored common pitfalls that workplaces often stumble upon, inadvertently contributing to poor well-being outcomes for workers. Drawing from Shannon's extensive experience, we examined real-life examples of organisations' successes and triumphs, shedding light on effective strategies for preventing burnout and other adverse outcomes. Furthermore, our conversation unravelled the intricate challenges and rewarding benefits associated with implementing psychosocial safety measures within organisations. We navigated through the complexities that both employers and employees encounter when striving to create a work environment that fosters mental health and overall well-being.

Guest: I'm a passionate mental health professional and a pioneer in therapeutic approaches and business innovation. As director of Create Balance Psychotherapy and Counselling, I lead a team of skilled professionals focused on improving the well-being of our community in Geelong. We are particularly proud of our work with Eye Movement Desensitisation and Reprocessing (EMDR), which has profoundly impacted our clients' recovery journeys. My dedication to improving others' lives earned me an Achievement Award from the Geelong City Council - an honour that recognises my efforts as a therapist and entrepreneur. I continually introduce new, effective treatment methods and business practices to our psychotherapy and counselling services. Beyond therapy, I actively share my expertise on mental health issues through various channels such as podcasts and discussions. I also speak at workplaces to share insights on enhancing employee well-being and resilience. As a testament to my resilience, I have used my personal experiences with disabilities since birth as a driving force to surpass conventional limitations. Through my work at Create Balance Psychotherapy and Counselling, I focus on accessibility and inclusivity, reflecting my commitment to enriching society and offering compassion to those battling psychological challenges. Connect with Shannon via: https://createbalance.com.au/

In this intriguing episode, Clinical Psychologist Anna Wiederroth shares her wealth of knowledge accumulated through years of compassionate work with individuals and couples, delving into the concept she terms 'relationship burnout'. With eloquence and depth, Anna unpacks the intricacies of relationship burnout, exploring its origins, patterns, and the hurdles it presents. She empathetically addresses the common barriers, fears, and roadblocks individuals encounter on their journey out of burnout and towards fulfilment. Moreover, Anna provides actionable insights and practical techniques to navigate through these challenges and rejuvenate relationships. Please like, share, follow, review or leave a comment. Would love to hear from you!

Warning: In this episode, the critical issue of domestic abuse is raised. We strongly encourage those impacted to reach out to local support services. For those in Australia, please visit https://www.whiteribbon.org.au/helplines/ for a comprehensive list of resources, or contact 1800RESPECT at 1800 737 732. This national helpline operates 24/7, providing confidential support and counselling for individuals who have experienced or are at risk of family and domestic violence, as well as sexual assault.

Guest: Anna is a Clinical Psychologist informed by Trauma and Psychodynamic approaches. She runs a successful private practice called 'Anna W Psychology' from Albion, QLD, seeing couples and individuals who want to experience more fulfilling relationships. To reach more women who want to shift from self-doubt to greater self-confidence, Anna created an online course 'Clarify your Reality' (https://www.annawpsychology.com/clarify-your-reality-course). Anna understands gaining awareness of survival state activation as a primary first step in moving towards greater personal well-being. Working towards this forms part of all her resources, including articles she shares via her Blog. You can connect with Anna via her website as well as socials - Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn and YouTube (Anna W psychology).

Attention mental health providers! In this episode, inspired by questions from American high school students Jayden, Gabriela, and Dana, we dive deep into the crucial topic of burnout in the mental health field. Join me as I address key questions such as the causes of burnout, its long-term effects, and practical strategies to combat it.

In the first part, we explore the root causes of burnout and discuss ways to minimise its impact on mental health professionals. Then, in part two, starting around the 40-minute mark, I share my personal journey of returning to work after a two-year hiatus due to burnout, compassion fatigue, and vicarious trauma. I reveal the habits that helped me stay healthy during this transition, the challenges I faced, and my plans moving forward.

Whether you're a seasoned practitioner or just starting out, this episode offers valuable insights and actionable advice to support your well-being in the demanding field of mental health care. Don't forget to follow us for episode releases and share your thoughts with us in the comments. Your feedback helps us reach those who need it most. Tune in now!

Warning: In this episode, suicide is raised. We strongly encourage those impacted to reach out to local support services. If this is an emergency, please get in touch with your emergency services - Australia, 000. For immediate counselling support (Aus only) Lifeline 13 11 14 (24 hrs/7 days); 13YARN 13 92 76 (24 hrs/7 days).

Bio: Shannon Swales is driven by a deep passion to empower individuals with the essential mental health knowledge and skills needed to flourish. She guides them through a transformative journey from chronically stressed and burnt-out states to a state of overall wellness. Her commitment to this cause is rooted in personal experience, having traversed the challenging terrain of burnout, compassion fatigue, and vicarious trauma herself. Shannon's personal odyssey has imbued her with a renewed perspective, enabling her to approach her career and the care of others with a more balanced and empathetic mindset. Join Shannon Swales on this inspirational journey as she shares her transformative experiences and valuable insights, fostering a message of resilience, self-care, and the triumph of well-being.

Connect with Shannon Swales via www.burnoutpsychologysupport.com/contact, by reading her burnout memoir - Nothing Left to Give: A Psychologist's Path Back, exploring her blog - 'Lessons From a Burnt Out Psychologist' - https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/lessons-from-a-burnt-out-psychologist, or social media pages @burnoutpsychologysupport

Welcome to "When Burnout Becomes Reality," where we delve into the depths of our mental health journeys, shedding light on the often-overlooked shadows of burnout. In this episode, we embark on a crucial exploration: "Am I Burnt Out?"

Join us as we navigate the intricate web of signs and symptoms that define burnout, from exhaustion to cynicism to inefficacy. We're not just scratching the surface; we're delving deep into the scientific and lived experience knowledge surrounding burnout.

But we're not stopping there. We're shining a light on some of the companions of burnout that occur in caregiving professions – compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma. Through shared experiences and expert insights, we're offering a guiding hand to those on the frontlines of caregiving professions.

So, if you've ever asked yourself, "Am I burnt out?" – this episode is for you. Tune in as we explore the journey from acknowledgment to healing because recognising burnout is the first step toward reclaiming your well-being.

Bio: Shannon Swales is driven by a deep passion to empower individuals with the essential mental health knowledge and skills needed to flourish. She guides them through a transformative journey from chronically stressed and burnt-out states to a state of overall wellness. Her commitment to this cause is rooted in personal experience, having traversed the challenging terrain of burnout, compassion fatigue, and vicarious trauma herself. Shannon's personal odyssey has imbued her with a renewed perspective, enabling her to approach her career and the care of others with a more balanced and empathetic mindset. Join Shannon Swales on this inspirational journey as she shares her transformative experiences and valuable insights, fostering a message of resilience, self-care, and the triumph of well-being.

Connect with Shannon Swales via www.burnoutpsychologysupport.com/contact, by reading her burnout memoir - Nothing Left to Give: A Psychologist's Path Back www.burnoutpsychologysupport.com/buy-my-book, exploring her blog - 'Lessons From a Burnt Out Psychologist' - https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/blog/lessons-from-a-burnt-out-psychologist, or social media pages @burnoutpsychologysupport

Attention all educators! In this ep., Shannon sits down with Rowena, a career teacher turned burnout coach. Drawing from her experiences with burnout & compassion fatigue, as well as over 30 yrs in the education industry, Rowena shares invaluable insights & wisdom. This ep. tackles critical questions, including:

What causes teacher burnout? We explore individual factors like the rescuer mindset, perfectionism, & the tendency to overextend oneself. Additionally, we examine systemic issues, such as communication styles of leaders that often leave educators feeling unseen & unvalued.

What helps prevent & recover from teacher burnout? We discuss setting boundaries, building a supportive community, & making lasting changes to one's approach to work & life from a systemic and individual lens.

Blending Rowena's personal experiences with her professional expertise, this ep. offers practical advice for teachers & valuable insights for anyone experiencing burnout, regardless of their professional background. Tune in to discover how to beat teacher burnout.

Guest Bio:

Rowena has been a teacher & leader for over 30 yrs and her passion is to build teams who value themselves & each other, for them to be the most effective, productive & creative teams possible. Rowena started as a class teacher, then worked in schools & orphanages abroad, before returning to the UK where she worked in schools as a special needs coordinator, trainer, specialist & deputy headteacher. She completed her masters in inclusion & was a tutor for SENCOs completing their National Award. After a burnout in 2022, she wrote a book for school staff (Teach Flourish Thrive: Beat Teacher Burnout) & now trains teachers & leaders in areas such as developing effective teams, building self-awareness, sharing commitments to goals & valuing each member of the team with their different strengths & areas of confidence.

Contact:

Rowena Hicks, rowenaphicks@gmail.com, 07816975130. For more information visit www.rowenahicks.com where you will find her book purchase link, YouTube videos, & training courses for individuals & groups.

Welcome to "When Burnout Becomes Reality," where we delve into the depths of our mental health journeys, shedding light on the often-overlooked shadows of burnout. In this episode, we embark on a crucial exploration: "How to Stop Burnout From Sneaking Up on You?"

We begin by introducing Nick Petrie's three degrees of burnout and how to respond to each level of burn. Petrie's work provides a valuable framework for understanding the progression of burnout, from early warning signs to more severe stages. By recognising these stages, we can intervene early and effectively to prevent burnout from taking hold.

I'll also share my own insights, drawing from both lived and clinical experiences. Over the years, I've seen how burnout manifests in various ways and have developed strategies to counteract its effects. From setting healthy boundaries to incorporating mindfulness practices into daily routines, there are practical steps we can all take to protect our mental health.

Throughout this episode, I'll weave in personal anecdotes and clinical observations to illustrate the complexities of burnout and offer actionable advice. My hope is that by the end of this episode, you'll not only understand how to prevent burnout but also feel empowered to make changes that support your well-being.

So, join me as we uncover the nuances of burnout and learn how to sneak up on it before it sneaks up on you.

16+ yrs in the business world, Chartered accountant & CFO. Daniel reached the pinnacle of that career at age 29. Life on the surface seemed perfect, but what he didn’t realise was that he was right on the edge of a 4 yr burnout & recovery - cued by a huge panic attack in 2019. During this burnout or what he calls a cocktail of depression & PTSD, Daniel heavily researched the subject areas of epigenetics, accelerated learning, wellness, neuroscience, positive psychology, & human potential before discovering the art & the love of coaching. After 70+ books, 1000+ podcasts, and likely 70,000 rabbit holes of knowledge & self-experimentation, he finally put the deep exhaustion & recovered from burnout.

This experience was so severe for Daniel he called it a 'spiritual dislocation' - an erosion of the human soul. “I believe I went through this experience so others don't have to.” ~ Daniel Ewers.

Join us to explore Daniel's story & gain valuable insights into recognising burnout, understanding its causes, & taking steps toward recovery. Learn from Daniel how to navigate significant changes in career, self, & life.

Daniel is now on a mission to not only help others recover from and ideally prevent burnout, but to go a step beyond - high performance - which he calls an adventure to excellence. Through high performance coaching, Daniel has, now, found his true passion in the world, where he reinforces people (who they are & what they do) while teaching them world-class high-performance principles. Daniel’s coaching & ethos amplifies clients into the feeling of confidence, full-engagement, & the joy of being their absolute best. To connect with Daniel go to https://www.adventuretoexcellence.com/

In this Solo episode of When Burnout Becomes Reality, we're diving deep into a question many of us wrestle with: "Am I Getting Better?" Burnout can cloud our judgment, making it hard to see our progress clearly. Our brains tend to fixate on the negative when we're stressed, anxious, or feeling down, which can skew our self-assessment. We'll explore why measuring burnout is crucial, not just relying on our subjective perceptions. From scientifically proven methods to practical tips, we'll uncover how regular measurement can boost confidence, highlight improvements, and identify areas needing attention. Join us as we discuss how to get a clearer, more accurate picture of your burnout recovery journey.

In this episode, Michelle Gardiner, a passionate and driven woman across all areas of life, shares her personal burnout journey through two careers: first as a social worker in Australia’s child protection sector, and later as an entrepreneur.

Key insights include:

1. How passion and drive, without personal boundaries, inevitably lead to burnout.

2. The critical importance of setting aside time for deep reflection to assess what is and isn’t working in both work and personal life, followed by the courage to make necessary changes.

3. The power of tuning into and honouring your energy levels to create a more sustainable, thriving way of living and working. Do yourself a favour and watch this episode to receive the valuable wisdom she’s gained on her journey of growth and recovery.

Guest: Michelle Gardiner Michelle is the Founder and Director of The Aspire Series, including Aspire Société, the Aspire Summit and 55 FACES. These are both a movement for women who are dedicated to pioneering social change and impact as well as a methodology in facilitating change work.

Michelle has spent over fifteen years working in the Australian Child Protection and community sectors, supporting children, young people and families through some of their most vulnerable life experiences. Through hearing many life stories, Michelle became most passionate about raising the aspirations of young people and women, which has greatly inspired her work with The Aspire Series. This passion parallels Michelle’s own experiences of working hard to define her own voice and to use this to build a life that she, too, is proud of.

It is Michelle’s intention in creating The Aspire Series, that as women, we can become more connected and heart centred leaders, and use one another to become the best that we can be, for ourselves and the future women who model themselves on us. From this place, we can truly influence social change and shift the dynamic of both our local communities and global society.

Michelle holds a Bachelors of Social and Community Welfare, Graduate Certificate in Mental Health Science (Child Psychoanalytic Psychotherapy), she is a Yoga Teacher (500 hours - Moksha Yoga Academy), a Certified Life Coach, and a background in individual and collective narrative work, leadership and empowerment program facilitation and trauma informed practice. Michelle is a published co-author, carries significant Non-For-Profit Board Member experience and is currently undertaking her Masters Degree in Narrative Therapy and Community Work at the Dulwich Centre and Melbourne University.

Michelle lives in Melbourne, Australia and is enthused by dance, yoga, cooking, chasing the sun, exploring and learning about people, arts and culture. Website: https://www.theaspireseries.com Social Media: @theaspireseries

In this solo episode of When Burnout Becomes Reality, Shannon takes you through everything you need to know about mindfulness and its role in overcoming burnout. Discover the essentials of mindfulness and how it can help manage stress and restore balance in your life.

Key Topics Covered:

• Understanding Mindfulness: Learn what mindfulness is and how being present can alleviate burnout.

• Mindfulness and Neurodiversity: Explore how mindfulness practices can be adapted to support neurodivergent individuals in managing stress.

• Practical Tips: Get actionable advice on incorporating mindfulness into your daily routine to enhance well-being.

• Guided Practice: Participate in a mindfulness exercise led by Shannon to experience the benefits firsthand.

Mindful Check In Exercise: Download for free at https://www.burnoutpsychologysupport.com/resources

Tune in to find out how mindfulness can transform your approach to burnout and support your journey to a more balanced, energised life.

In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Denis Belicki, a clinical psychologist with over 40 years of experience. His impressive career has spanned forensic psychology, private practice with his wife, and his current role as a digital nomad, providing remote therapy to healthcare professionals. Dr. Belicki has dedicated much of his work to supporting emergency first responders, veterans, physicians, and nurses who face many mental health challenges working in high-stress environments.

We explore the profound impact burnout is having on the medical profession and why it’s crucial to care for those who dedicate their lives to caring for others.

Key points include:

1. The toll burnout is taking on physicians and nurses, and how it's affecting the healthcare profession as a whole.

2. What doctors and nurses can do to protect their well-being and manage burnout.

3. The structural changes needed to better support healthcare professionals.

4. A vital message: if we don’t care for our caregivers, there may come a time when no one is left to care for us.

This is a critical episode not only for healthcare workers but also for any government or non-government organisation with the power to make changes. Our health professionals need structural support, and change is needed NOW.

Before tuning in, please note that this episode includes discussions of suicide, so take care if this is a difficult topic for you. Please see show notes for further information regarding connecting with mental health supports.

Tune in to this important conversation, and join us in shining a light on the urgent need to care for our caregivers.

Welcome to Episode 41 of When Burnout Becomes Reality. In this solo episode, host Shannon Swales dives deep into the transformative journey of Burnout Growth, exploring how burnout can serve as a powerful catalyst for lasting change.

Drawing from the research of Nick Petrie, Shannon breaks down the concept of Burnout Growth and contrasts it with simply "bouncing back" after burnout. She explores the two paths that people take after experiencing burnout—rest and recovery versus making deeper, lasting changes—and explains why true transformation requires more than just taking time off. Using her own experience and Petrie’s insights, Shannon discusses:

- What Burnout Growth is and how it differs from resilient recovery

- The four potential futures for those experiencing burnout, including Post-Traumatic Growth and Post-Traumatic Stress

- Key actions that contribute to sustainable growth, such as reflection, seeking new challenges, and building new habits

- Practical strategies for applying these lessons in your own life, from journaling and mindfulness practices to seeking professional support.

If you're ready to move beyond exhaustion and turn burnout into a transformative experience, this episode is packed with valuable insights and actionable takeaways.

Key Takeaways:

1. Understand the difference between "bouncing back" and "bouncing forward"

2. Learn how deeper reflection and intentional change can help break the burnout cycle

3. Explore practical steps you can take today to foster long-term growth and resilience

I sat down with Michael Coles, a 49-yr-old autistic man, married, father of 2, & a podcaster. Michael shares his powerful story of experiencing autistic burnout, offering insights into what contributed to it, how he recovered, & how he now works to support his mental health & well-being. We explore key topics like people-pleasing, ableism, workplace accommodations, at-home support, the power of authenticity, & compassionate support from others. It is a must-listen for anyone who is autistic or who wants to better understand the unique challenges autistic individuals face & the real risk of burnout.

Guest Bio: Having been diagnosed 3 times, first with PDD-NOS back when he was 3, then diagnosed with Aspergers Syndrome at 35, then rediagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder in 2017, he has been struggling with high levels of anxiety & stress his whole life. Late last year, he was hospitalised as a result of chronic stress from changes being imposed on him, due to a change in staff members, & their non-acceptance of Michael’s way of working, which previously was going well with accepting staff members. As a result, he needed to resign from his job, & now, through the NDIS, he can access therapies not previously available to Michael. Also, recently diagnosed with Expressive & Receptive Language Disorder.

W: http://www.deepdiveau.net

IG/Tiktok - @thedeepdiveau (& @michaelcoles3 Tiktok)

YouTube – http://www.youtube.com/@thedeepdiveau

Links to Michael’s Guest Spots on other podcasts – http://linktr.ee/michaelcoles

Feeling drained, stuck, or questioning everything in your life? You’re not alone, and it’s a challenge many face in midlife. In this episode, we dive deep into understanding the overlap between two powerful experiences: burnout and the midlife crisis. Both can shake up your life in big ways, but how do you know which one you’re dealing with—or if you’re facing both?

Tune in to discover:

• The key differences between a midlife crisis and burnout, and how each uniquely impacts your energy, mindset, and motivation.

• How these experiences can occur together, intensifying feelings of exhaustion, self-doubt, and urgency to change.

• Practical, step-by-step strategies for navigating both challenges at once, from reclaiming your energy to finding clarity on your next steps.

If you’re in your 40s or 50s and feeling overwhelmed by stress or existential questions, this episode offers valuable insights and actionable advice. Whether you’re seeking renewed purpose or simply need a breather from burnout, we’ll guide you on the path to clarity, growth, and well-being.

In this episode, we explore the lived experience of neurodivergent burnout with Chrissy Foreman, a Neuro-affirming Artist and Arts Therapist based in South East Queensland, Australia. Chrissy, who is both Autistic and ADHD (AuDHDer), shares her personal journey with burnout, offering valuable insights into how it shows up, its cyclical nature, and the unique challenges of being late-diagnosed.

We also discuss what helps Chrissy prevent and respond to burnout, the lessons she has learned along the way, and the tools she uses to support her wellbeing. Chrissy’s work empowers the Autistic and ADHD community to connect, feel understood, and express their authentic selves through creative and artistic wellbeing practices. As a mother, nature lover, and LEGO enthusiast, her relatable and vibrant perspective makes this conversation both heartfelt and inspiring.

This episode is packed with wisdom, hope, and validation, making it a must-listen for anyone who identifies as neurodivergent—or suspects they might be. Join us as we dive into the challenges and triumphs of navigating burnout as an AuDHDer and reflect on the shared experiences that connect us all.

Connect with Guest:

Website https://artuition.com.au/

Instagram https://www.instagram.com/artuitionstudio

Facebook https://www.facebook.com/artuitionstudio

YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCpwtCEts2RH2z74SzXsBd-Q